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  Love for the Hate

  by IronSharpensIron in

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  i just wanted to share a perspective related to my experience with leaving the jw.

  at this point, i have been df'd since i was 18. i'm 25, happily married with 2 fantastic children.

  after being miserably at odds with my parents and extended family, i've come to some realizations as follows.. i struggled with the conditional nature of my parent's love- talking to me until it bothered their conscience, then cutting me off.

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  stan livedeath

  helo ISI--welcome to this site.

  ive been shunned by 2 of my born-in kids for more than 30 years now.
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  Which Kingdom Hall Should They Sell? How Does The Governing Body Decide?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
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  well what rule of thumb do you think these financial dim-wits dream up?

  i think those not sending in their money to the org are some of the first properties to unload while you spare the higher payers for last.

  you don't want to piss off the loyal contributers by making them miss meetings,, that's a no win situation so dump the free loaders as a negative asset and keep the more profitable ones.. and those who's loans the wt forgave, watch what happens if you're not send in those regular payments like before, and slack off by a significant amount.

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  stan livedeath

  these financial dim-wits dream up

  
  

  cant agree with that statement, --i think its all clever financial shafting.
  
  
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  Crisis of Conscience Raymond Franz

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

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  2. beliefs

  this book has been recommended to me a few times.

  is it worth reading?.

  how could i get a copy without paying the massive amount stated on amazon and ebay?

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  i think anyone buying vastly overpriced books off the internet are just feeding the greedy.

  its not as if the money is going to the author--in this case !.

  i bought a copy about 6 years ago--when i first got involved with this whole new world ( to me ) of ex-jw'ism. i had quit 40 + years ago. to be honest--i had to start reading about half way through. the first part seemed to contain a lot of extracts of watchtower paragraphs--and my eyes just glaze over at that. but when i got into it i had to finish it all.

  after i had read it--i offered it to a distant relative who had also left the cult--but she--and her husband--also an ex-----declined to accept it. they didnt want any reminders of a life they had walked away from. ( i would imagine a lot of ex's are like that )

  however i did pass it on to another member of this site who was having difficulty buying a copy.
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  Been witnessing today - first time in over 2 years!!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and it felt wonderful!!.

  i went into the city to where i knew there was a "cosmopolitan witnessing" trolley, because i wanted to ask a simple bible-based question.

  the trolley was attended by an elder and a sister who was another elder's wife.

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  the cart witnessing work is a waste of time.

  so is trying to reason with them.

  unless you asked them what single thing would destroy their faith.
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  JW Carts Cause Thousands to Start Studying!!!

  by Drifting Away in

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  i would love to know the stats of how many hours were spent, standing by a cart, or sitting at a local town fair with jw table tent set up, compared to the number of bible studies started that led to baptism since the inception of the carts.

  anyone have any idea?

  if i had to guess i would say thousands of hours pent standing by a cart, and maybe less then 5 that actually got baptized.

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  Do carts need permits or can anyone start one?

  just what i was thinking as i read this thread.

  first pic shows a cart obstructing the pavement outside a supermarket / post office

  
  

  that was last summer--not seen it there since.

  
  

  next pic is a cart occupying a dirty doorway of a closed-down shop. doesnt it look uninviting ?

  
  
  
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  If a JW Came To Your Door How Would You Handle It?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses have never come to my door but they have come to my girlfriends door.

  i have coached her as to what to say or ask but it appears that they always seem to come when she's not there.

  .....just curious would you get into it with a jehovah's witness at your door especially if it was someone you did not know?.

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  listen to what they say---then ask them if they really believe it.
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  JW Carts Cause Thousands to Start Studying!!!

  by Drifting Away in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would love to know the stats of how many hours were spent, standing by a cart, or sitting at a local town fair with jw table tent set up, compared to the number of bible studies started that led to baptism since the inception of the carts.

  anyone have any idea?

  if i had to guess i would say thousands of hours pent standing by a cart, and maybe less then 5 that actually got baptized.

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  i wonder how many thousands of dubs have quit the cult since the carts were introduced.
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  JW Carts Cause Thousands to Start Studying!!!

  by Drifting Away in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would love to know the stats of how many hours were spent, standing by a cart, or sitting at a local town fair with jw table tent set up, compared to the number of bible studies started that led to baptism since the inception of the carts.

  anyone have any idea?

  if i had to guess i would say thousands of hours pent standing by a cart, and maybe less then 5 that actually got baptized.

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  from my observations of the carts--in 2 different towns-----the dubs only seem to talk to other dubs.
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  Beth Sarim

  by HereIgo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  how many of you know about this san diego mansion?

  i just found out about it recently.

  apparently it was built for old testament faithful men to live in upon resurrection in 1925 such as abraham, moses etc.

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  stan livedeath

  What staggers me about the BethSarim episode is the arrogance that the men (and women) of old would be resurrected in California, America. Resurrection? ok but in the middle east where they originated.

  
  

  why ? everyone knows Gahd is american
  
  
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  I found my wifes new blood card

  by Steel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i would like to say i am not in and my wife is a marginal witness at best.

  she doesn't say anything bad about the borg or live an amoral lifestyle.

  she just doesn't read the bible, or even the tracts anymore and generally has no clue about anything biblical or doctorial related.. i found my wives new card yesterday.

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  if i were in your position i would just tear it up. maybe your wife wants you to. she could always get another.